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Is it ethnical to experiment with animals why or why not?
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 journal 3 Tania
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Sep 18 2007, 8:51 PM EDT by
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I don't think that it is ethical to experiment with animals. In the scientific matter it is because we might figure out some sort of a cure. but in the logical sence it isnt ethical. Because i belive that animals are just like us and do have feeling. I have a dog and a cat and to be completely honest they mean the world to me and i consider them a part of my family. i wouldnt want to see my animals in pain because that would hurt me aswell. Animals are meant to be treated fairly and with love and compasion not just as some sort of a test subject. i am sure that anyone who is a animal person or has pets would agree that we wouldnt want to see them as a experiment.
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Extinction?
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Sep 17 2007, 7:43 AM EDT by
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Scientists only take a small number of animals to experiment. I think it would be hard to make them extinct. Pollution or hunting are more likely to be the cause by ruining the food chain and cause extinction.
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Sep 17 2007, 1:07 AM EDT by
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I don't think that this experiment is ethical. even if mice are used to prove pill's safety and it is proved, as human beings are diffrent from mice, still humans can be damaged by pills, also they can be damaged in the long term. Furthermore, as mice are also living organisms, it is not ehical to make them to take medicine that can kill them.
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Journal #3 Mego
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Sep 16 2007, 10:14 PM EDT by
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yeah, i don't know how to use this thing.
and sorry about the gramatical errors. i can't type without wordcheck but i donno how to do that on this website!
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Sep 16 2007, 1:59 PM EDT by
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are there any statistics that prove your point, or is it just your thought? (sorry im being kinda critical but its cuz we have different thoughts) yes of course, pollution may ruin the whole food cycle, but this is kinda vague. also, why care so much for a small number of animals being experiemented? well i dont think that the sacrifice of the minority is ethical in order to benefit the majority. what if you were in a situation in which a boat is slowly sinking, cuz there are too many people on the boat. would you (a selfish and self-centered person according to you) jump into the water to save the others' lives? Moreover, i have never raised any pets in my entire life, so i dont know how it is to have a pet. But i still think that it is unethical to experiment with animals.
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Sep 16 2007, 1:52 PM EDT by
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you have really strong points. its really cool. but i dont really agree with your opinion. your points seem too extreme to me... you're looking at this issue at a biased aspect. first of all, if we cant experiment on humans, why should we regard it as a natural thing to experiement on animals, who also have a life just like us? just because they cant speak? well speaking doesnt mean everything; there are many other ways to express FEELINGS. let me use pong's short example: if you kick a dog, it would probably bite you as a reaction to pain, showing that it has feelings. secondly, how can you be sure that the experiments would definitely benefit humans and animals? what about the animals that get ill or die due to failure of the experiments? experiments cant be always successful. well then think of you being a rat used in an experiment to prove the effect of a new medicine. would you like to sacrifice yourself to bring benefits to others of your species? you said that people are selfish and self-centered, so you wouldnt want to sacrifice yourself, would you? you wouldnt be able to plead or beg when you are one of the animals used in the experiment. Also, i want to know the specific percentage or number of animals that die from pollution. (continued)
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journal #3 Katie
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Sep 16 2007, 1:34 PM EDT by
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yea i remember watching the video in class. the "love" test was really unethical.. the monkey was so terrified when it saw the clinging robot thing. as i was watching the video i kept thinking 'why would they do an experiment so brutal on a baby monkey who doesnt have its mom's love or protection?' the topic about testing love was interesting, but the way they experiemented wasnt ethical. so yea i agree with your point. good example :D
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ya my journal was gg. haha
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Journal #3 - Pong
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Sep 16 2007, 10:24 AM EDT by
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ya i agree with what u said. and ya what i said is true, because if the book said so, then it's correct. Good stuff dude, good stuff.
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Journal #3 Mego
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Sep 16 2007, 10:19 AM EDT by
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you got a few grammatical errors lol
good points
and ya you did post under roger's journal.
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journal #3 mike
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Sep 16 2007, 10:01 AM EDT by
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i agree, good points. the animals that are used for experiments experience great intense shock according to animal protection. The researchers cannot treat the animals like this just like you said. But, the researchers assured them that the intense shock was only at a minimum. Overall it seems that experimenting on animals for research is fine because 7% of psychology’s studies involved animals and 95% of it were just rats, mice, rabbits, and birds. Additionally, the researchers themselves now feel ethically obligated to enhance the well-being of captive animals and protect them from needless suffering.
The dangerous thing about psychology is that it could be used for the bad. People can use psychology to manipulate someone's brain and persuade him/her to do anything. But they could also use this skill to educate. Psychology is linked to our deepest desires within us like love, happiness and life therefore showing that psychology is dangerous.
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Journal #3 - Pong
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Sep 16 2007, 9:38 AM EDT by
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haha i like the example of how you proved that dogs have feelings -- you kick it and it reacts lol
and yes, i agree with what pong said
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journal #3 - matthew
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Sep 16 2007, 9:37 AM EDT by
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woah... look at all these comments! haha
the DJ guy didnt die after all. He explained that this experience was himself being an innocent victim for testing his limit (weird, right? haha) Also his brain waves were similar to the waves that were produced when people sleep. On the last day of his experiment on himself, he thought the doctor was someone who came to bury him alive, so he ran away from him. So doctors had to persuade him and finally he got 13 hours of sleep. When he awoke, his mental shock was recovered and he was able to act normally. However he was depressed for 3 months after this experiment hahaha
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Journal #3 Mego
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Sep 16 2007, 8:35 AM EDT by
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hey mego i think u posted under roger instead of psych journal 3
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DANG!
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journal #3 - matthew
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Sep 16 2007, 8:03 AM EDT by
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wow! i really liked reading this!
1.) i really liked how you used an example of how exactly research can be dangerous. that's really crazy how that man wen't 200 hours without sleep! i want to second pongs comment on if he died?
2.) I really liked how to talked about how some people belive that God created the world and how he thinks that all orgaisms are equal, humans not being the higher power.
3.) I disagree with your statement of "humans are more intellegent" i don't think we know that for sure. But i don't know, i could be wrong.
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journal #3 - matthew
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Sep 16 2007, 7:52 AM EDT by
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Impressive dude, impressive. Great points nothing to attack. haha. The good thing now is that most experiments are tested on animals like rats, mice, and birds. The 1959 experiment on the DJ was a good example of how dangerous psychology could be. There are other ways to show how psychology is dangerous. Psychology can be used to manipulate people. This psychological power can be used for good or bad just like nuclear power to light up a city or to destroy it completely. Trying to persuade someone through the power of psychology is to educate an individual or to deceive an individual. Psychology links to many of our world’s great problems-war, prejudice, overpopulation, crime-all of which involve attitudes and behaviors. Psychology also links to our deepest desires of love, happiness, and a great life. Therefore psychology can be dangerous from time to time.
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Sep 16 2007, 7:52 AM EDT
man u sound like ur gunna take over the world alex hahaha and your display kinda scares me, please change it, thanks
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Journal #3 - Pong
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Sep 16 2007, 7:05 AM EDT by
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i agree with pong's idea :)
experiment on animals could be helpful for the human technology...
but it is not ethical because animals have feelings just like we do
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hmmm....
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Sep 16 2007, 6:55 AM EDT by
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hmmm....i understand your point of view, just like katie, i understand why you're claiming that animals experiments are ethical and you're reasons seems totally reasonable. However i do not agree with the part where u say that "experimenting on human without their permission is unethical, but experimenting on an animal without their agreement is."I think the factor which determines the factor of whether animal experiments are ethical doesnt depend on "permission", if animals had a choice they wouldnt want to be a testing subject. I understand how you say that testing on humans would contain more risks, but i dont think that we could just think that its ethical to test on animals simply because they cannot speak their thoughts. Even though animals cannot communicate with us, they still have LIFES!! they have feelings and could feel pain or fear just as human can. I think we should put more respect on the animals though they might seem to be in a lower level then us, i dont think we just simply respect someone just because they can "talk"? Animal experimnet might be ethical but the determining factor shouldnt just be the fact that animals cannot express their feelings and therefore we shouldnt care how they feel.
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Sep 16 2007, 6:50 AM EDT by
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i posted my journal 3 again. upper left, click on psych journal, then click on psychology journal and it's in there.
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i agree.. i think
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Psych journal 3
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Sep 16 2007, 6:15 AM EDT by
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Animal protection groups say that the intense shock that the animals used for experiments is unethical. The researchers assure them that the shock that the animals experience is at a minimum, but the animal protection obviously still disagree. Overall it does seem ethical because experimenting on animals for research is fine because 7% of psychology’s studies involved animals and 95% of it were just rats, mice, rabbits, and birds none of which are of much importance.
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journal #3 - matthew
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Sep 16 2007, 6:12 AM EDT by
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omg so long not gonna read....
jk
200 hours widout sleep = 8.33333 days
did the researcher die? he mustve realli been dedicated to do that
i wouldnt even stay up 2 hours to finish my hw
i like how u have 2 perspective for each of ur answers. i didnt realize that if we only do passive experiments such as following them and taking notes, animal experiments can be ethical ! same goes with psychological experiments, if ur research is resonable and causes no harm to your subjects then it is not dangerous but pushing beyond this point would be harmful.
nasss!
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